1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Video images originate from surveillance cameras broadcasting on 2.4 ghz in the center of Brussels. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Images were captured in public space with a wireless video receiver available from any hardware store. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 - What are we going to do? 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Franck will show images that we recorded during the walk. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Which legal questions do these images evoke? 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 And what are the possible answers? 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:31,000 STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE STARE 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,000 What is the legislation on security cameras? 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Since 1992 there is 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 The Law for the Protection of privacy. 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 This 'Privacy Law' regulates the processing of personal data. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Relevant here because cameras film identifiable individuals. 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Besides the Privacy Law, some special regulations 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,000 also apply to surveillance cameras. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 For example: The Law regulating Private and Special Security, 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 the Private Detective Law, the Soccer Law, 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,000 The Collective Labour Agreement on cameras in work spaces. 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 The Brussels court of Justice has released images 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 filmed by security cameras in Central Station 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 at the time of the murder of Joe Van Holsbeeck. 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,000 The images show two youngsters exploring the site. 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 After the murder in 2007 the 'Camera Law' was introduced. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 The Camera Law distinguishes three types of spaces: 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 1: Open spaces. 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 2: Confined spaces, accessible to the public. 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 3: Confined spaces inaccessible to the public. 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 For each kind of space there is a different legal regime. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 What does this regime consist of? 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Rules that apply to all three types: 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 First: An icon needs to be installed. 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Even in a private home. 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Second: 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,000 Images may not be stored for longer than a month. 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Third rule: 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 The images may not 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 infringe on the personal privacy. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000 We'll see what that means. It’s quite vague. 41 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 What are the definitions of these different types? 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Important, because it determines which regime is applicable. 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 An 'Open space' 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 has no delimitation and is open to the public. 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 So: no separation and publicly accessible. 46 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 How does the law define 'delimitation'? 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 A 'visual demarcation' can be sufficient. 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,000 A coloured pavement can mark a 'Confined space'. 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Or a panel with an inscription: 'Private property'. 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Some examples of 'Open spaces ": 51 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Public roads, a parking lot, squares, parks. 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 But not all parks. 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,000 A park with a fence is a "Publicly accessible confined space." 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,000 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Francorchamps is a highway, therefore an "Open space". 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 But once the road is used as a race track, 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 it turns into a "Confined space; accessible to the public." 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:46,000 This is an "Open space." It is a public road. 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 This is also an Open space. 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,000 For this type of camera you need an exemption from the municipality. 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 It is the council which then 'decides' to place the camera. 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Here you see the window. 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Without permission from the municipality, this is clearly illegal. 69 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Besides 'Open spaces' there are 'Publicly accessible confined places'. 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 What does that mean? 71 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Everything that is enclosed and that is used for a public. 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Where services are provided. But that is very broad. 73 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 It goes from shops, churches, to public spaces in hotels, 74 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:37,000 cafes, medical spaces, the doctor’s waiting room. 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,000 A shop and a Center Parcs hotel 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000 fall under the same legislation. 77 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 This is a 'publicly accessible confined space'. 79 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 We’ve seen this earlier, it's a recording with sound. 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,000 We’ll come back to it later but I can already say that 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,000 a camera with sound violates Article 314 bis of the Penal Code 82 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:08,000 which prohibits interception of private communications 83 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 through the use of a device. So this is clearly forbidden. 84 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:35,000 85 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Here we went inside. 86 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 It is an accessible confined space. 87 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 No exemption is needed for this camera. 88 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 It only needs to be declared to the privacy commission. 89 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 This is a school. 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 91 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Why doesn’t the law mention "Privacy-sensitive spaces'? 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 That would be much clearer. 93 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 That way the doctor's cabinet could be excluded. 94 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:11,000 - Or a trade union, or a religious space. 95 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 96 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 The third type of space: 97 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 The confined space that is not accessible to the public. " 98 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 No delimitation, sorry: wíth a delimitation 99 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 and the public can not enter. There are no public services. 100 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Examples: A house, a factory, a farm, an office. 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,000 If there are no services rendered to the public. 102 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Also: a garden, a courtyard. 103 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,000 We have been here. 104 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 This is clearly a confined space, not accessible to the public. 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 106 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Here we see an example. 107 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 108 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Is this the store or the back room? - No, it's the back room. 109 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Then it is clearly a confined space; not accessible to the public. 110 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,000 What is this? 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Is it a family dinner or a restaurant? 112 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,000 I think it's a family dinner. 113 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Is this an infringement of privacy? 114 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Someone decided to place a camera to film the table. 115 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Perhaps the 'pater familias'? 116 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Does that not infringe the privacy of his family? 117 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 118 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Here we see a baby. We see a crib or something. 119 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Does this invade the privacy of the child? 120 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 The law of 2007 speaks of "Infringing personal privacy." 121 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 The law of 1992 was much better, because it said: 122 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,000 One can collect relevant data within a defined framework, 123 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 for a given and limited purpose. 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Suppose a child is ill and should be permanently surveilled. 125 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Then filming is relevant. But it is not in all cases. 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 The Camera Law now calls it 'Infringement of private life'. 127 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 But what does that mean exactly? 128 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Here we see a bed. 129 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Is it 'infringement on personal privacy' 130 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 depending on whether or not a couple has a sexual relationship? 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Does the film aim to collect sexual data? 132 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Okay, the first rule I mentioned: 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,000 If you mount a camera, you must install an icon. 134 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Anywhere, even for personal, domestic purposes. 135 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Where do we put that icon? 136 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 On the approved or customary access points. 137 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 For a street: At each entrance to the street. 138 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 For a square: Each access to the square. 139 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 For a house: At the door. 140 00:08:50,000 --> 00:09:10,000 141 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Obviously there are mixed cases. 142 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 A camera can film multiple spaces simultaneously. 143 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 What do we do in such a case? 144 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 145 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 For a 'publicly accessible confined space' the law says: 146 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 The responsible person should make sure 147 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 that a camera is not specifically targeted 148 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 at a place of which he does’nt process the data himself. 149 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,000 What does 'specific' mean? 150 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 The problem with reality 151 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,000 is that a space is not limited like it is in theory. 152 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 It can quickly shift from being a confined space 153 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,000 to being a confined space that is accessible to an audience 154 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 or a public space. 155 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 156 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Here we are behind a window. 157 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Nothing ‘specific' is being filmed. 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Filming the whole street is more than specific. 159 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 It’s illegal. 160 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 161 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Here it is less clear. 162 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Is this a 'specific way' of pointing a camera? 163 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 164 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 The last case deals with cameras 165 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 that are placed at the entrance of houses. 166 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,000 To film arrivals and departures 167 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 for example at a private apartment. 168 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 In this case cameras should be directed so 169 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,000 that their range is strictly minimal. 170 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:42,000 But what is "The strict minimum"? 171 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Does this camera limit its monitoring to a strict minimum? 172 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,000 I don't think so. 173 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 We see more sidewalk than door. 174 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,000 175 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 There is a problem with conflicting regulations. 176 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,000 The law is so poorly written that it conflicts 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,000 with a dozen other laws. 178 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 That is mind-boggling 179 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Important here is the following: 180 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,919 When the cameras fall under another law, 181 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:19,000 the Camera Law does not apply. 182 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 The law does not apply to cameras in the workplace, 183 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 that are installed for: 184 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Health and safety of workers, 185 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 protection of goods, 186 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 control of the production process, 187 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 control of work and employees. 188 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 In those cases Collective Labour Agreement 68 applies. 189 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 According to the Privacy Law one can only process data 190 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 for a legitimate purpose. 191 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 This also applies to filming images. 192 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,000 193 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Before the Camera Law existed, the Privacy Law ordained 194 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,000 that a camera must remain a supplementary means. 195 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 If a clad door is sufficient you have to choose the latter. 196 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,000 This still applies. 197 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Whether a judge will agree, that is another question. 198 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000 199 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,000 In the law of '92 the Privacy commission also states 200 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,000 that the person placing a camera 201 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,000 should choose the 'appropriate' technology. 202 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Meaning if you can use black and white, 203 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 you should not choose colour 204 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,000 If a zoom is not necessary: no zoom. 205 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Etcetera etcetera. 206 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:35,000 207 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000 The same applies to anonymization. 208 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 The old law said: 209 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 If it is possible to anonymize humans 210 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 then you have to do that. 211 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 This also still applies. 212 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 What are your rights? 213 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Every person has the right to access the images. 214 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 It is sufficient to send a request to the person 215 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 who is responsible for processing the images. 216 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Only: you have to motivate your request. 217 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 You might wonder what that motivation should contain? 218 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,000 The law isn't very conclusive. 219 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 - When I go to someone who I know 220 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 and I am being filmed in his house 221 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 without my consent 222 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Can I oppose that on the basis that there was no icon visible? 223 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 - Yes definitely - What is a security camera? 224 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 If I hold the camera and film the street, 225 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 is that the same situation 226 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,000 as when the camera is attached to the wall? 227 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,000 - Very good question. 228 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,000 - How can we be sure if it really is a security camera? 229 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,000 - You say it's illegal ... - But we don't know? 230 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,000 - And if we are dealing with an artistic project? 231 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 ... Aaaah! ... 232 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,000 233 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 - And if the camera is not recording but just looking who's at the door? 234 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000 - Whether it's recording or not, The law applies. 235 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,000 - So a mirror can be installed but not a camera? 236 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 - Yes, because, if I understand what's just been said, 237 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,000 an image is a file that can be stored? 238 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 - Without a doubt - A mirror is like looking. 239 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 It's not forbidden to open your eyes? 240 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 - Fortunately not, no. 241 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 242 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 - A question about cameras: 243 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,000 Does the same law apply to fake cameras? 244 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 If I pretend to have a camera installed 245 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Do I need the same authorisations as for a real camera? 246 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 - Maximum storage time is one month 247 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 except when it concerns evidence. 248 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000 How do you know if the images can be evidence? 249 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 - The problem is: All images 250 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 may be evidence 251 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 for infringements we do not yet know of. 252 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,000 - The legislator has written the text too quickly. 253 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 - I film the interior of shopping center City2 254 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,000 and I keep the images a bit longer because I suspect 255 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,000 at some point a pickpocket might have been active. 256 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 257 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Some people compare it to a light. 258 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 If someone turns on the light in their apartment 259 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,000 and by doing so lights up the neighbours’ room 260 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,000 and accidentally you look from your window into that room 261 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 and you see their personal affairs, 262 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 In that case, you may 'use' that light 263 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 you are not stealing that light. 264 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,000 If we follow the same principle. 265 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 If you have, by accident, 266 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 have access to information 267 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 that someone has made public, 268 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 it's as if someone opened a window onto the street 269 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,000 and you look inside. 270 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,000 - What does 'sending to the responsible person' mean? 271 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,000 I am filmed in my doctor's waiting room, 272 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,300 Do I send the request to my doctor? 273 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,000 - Yes, exactly. Or to your employer. 274 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 I sent a request to my rector. 275 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 - Is that true, ha ha ha 276 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 The rector will probably gain legal advise 277 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,000 and he will respond if he doesn’t agree. 278 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 But that poor dentist installed a camera 279 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 because he was worried for the safety of his patients. 280 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 And now he is being questioned. 281 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 But is he responsible 282 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 for assessing the motivation? 283 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 How will he do that? 284 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Will he have institutional support? 285 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Who can he go to with his story? 286 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 "I am a doctor and I have a camera 287 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,300 and now I am being questioned 288 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:25,300 by a certain Franck Dumortier who knows the law well 289 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:27,000 and who is fed up with it. 290 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 - The one responsible for the images, 291 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 is the person ... eh 292 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 If I want to film inside ... I film a part of my door ... 293 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 I am responsible ... I film the interior of my shop 294 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 but the camera also films a part of the sidewalk. 295 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Will I still be responsible for all the images filmed? 296 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,000 In the article 297 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 There is a technical term I do not understand. 298 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 The person responsible for the 'data processing' ... 299 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,000 What is 'processing data'? Mounting a camera and filming? 300 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 - It means recording. - Only the filming? 301 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 - It means shooting images. - In all these cases 302 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,000 we understand why the camera was installed 303 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,000 For example the case with the mirror was interesting. 304 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,000 If a mirror permits you to see the face 305 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,000 of the person who comes in with a gun 306 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,000 I can understand why the shop keeper installs a camera. 307 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,000 These are clearly not situations where a person 308 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,000 wants to see the cute girl that passes by at five o'clock. 309 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 - How do you know that? - If I were a judge, 310 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,000 I think it would be unlikely ... 311 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 - If you are a judge then you have to be sure. 312 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:50,000 It is not enough to have faith in human nature. 313 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 - Yes, obviously I am not a judge. 314 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,000 315 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 I think all the images we have seen are reasonable. 316 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Isn’t there a lack of motivation on the part of the legislator? 317 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000 With all the technologies we have, 318 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,000 has it not become impossible .... with respect to data ... 319 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 and the fact that everyone can own a camera ... 320 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Hasn’t the idea of asking permission to film 321 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:25,000 simply become unworkable? 322 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Spoken text: TECHNOLOGY MON AMOUR festival Espace Magh, Brussels, 27.02.2010 - Text + voice: FRANCK DUMORTIER Sound recording: WENDY VAN WYNSBERGHE Legal guide walks: JULIEN PERRET Images: DENIS DEVOS, PETER WESTENBERG Comments + questions: THE AUDIENCE Organisation: LIGUE DES DROITS DE L'HOMME 323 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,000 ADDITIONAL IMAGES - Fragments 'Francorchamps' and 'Joe van Holsbeeck' Source: http://youtube.com - Attempts have been made to trace the copyright holders. 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